the discussion about climate and environment. that was done in gm and it's a great vehicle. >> jon: right, right. so you are happy with the arrangement? >> yeah, they let us do it. >> jon: when you went in there, how difficult for you? you had not run a car company previously? [laughter] >> never. >> jon: you are the most genial guy that has run these companies. there's a bunch of guys there 20 years, 30 years, they've been working hard. you walk in and you've run a company but it's at&t. are they mad at you? are they mean to you? how do you get their trust, respect and enthusiasm? >> i asked what went wrong at gm. one of the answers was we didn't do anything wrong, the economy got us. it was interesting i said it didn't get a lot of other car companies, you know so why did it pick on us. >> jon: where did the meeting go from there? >> sort of downhill from there. [ laughter ] >> jon: right. what was your due diligence center field how long did you spend there gaining the information you needed to start making decisions to reorganize the company? >> i was appointed chairman in august, not c.e.o.